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Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - Body In The Thames - 2012-03-07 10:07:31
It really stinks in there recently.. I mean REALLY
what - if anything - can we do about it?
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - Bela - 2012-03-07 10:46:47
Hmmm...we can't forbid people from posting their mixes/tracks, that's the thing.
I was thinking about maybe setting up a post limit before one would be able to post in the Your Music section but...meh.
Maybe the users, instead of posting x new threads, could have one thread, where they'd post all of their tracks. For example, you'd create 'Body In The Thames' thread and update it everytime you want.
That would help us avoid 90823749027 new threads on one page, by one user...
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - Niko - 2012-03-07 10:48:50
We were discussing this already but nobody took action. imo 100 posts barrier will solve the problem.
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - Bela - 2012-03-07 10:52:44
okay, let's solve it once and for all - any other suggestions are welcome - I'll look into them and then we'll decide what to do.
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - dc-sux - 2012-03-07 11:20:12
I think the one thread per artist is a good call. Avoid any repeats of the Tim101 debacle. Slap on a 100 post minimum as well, and it should tidy it up good n proper.
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - Larvi - 2012-03-07 11:31:25
I think 100 posts is a bit too much, make it between 10 and 50 :)
Also 1 thread per user is a nice idea!
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - Hubee - 2012-03-07 12:07:12
(2012-03-07 10:48:50)Niko Wrote: We were discussing this already but nobody took action. imo 100 posts barrier will solve the problem.
Good idea in theory, but won't it run the risk of causing all the mixes / tracks from those posters <100 to end up in all the other subforums?
Jesus, just had a look down there and you're right its gotten so much worse.. what if rather than getting rid of 'Your Music', we had a second subforum that was private for those > 100 or so posts?
Edit: but then on 2nd look a lot of the posters down there are 70+ anyway, and I've not seen them contribute to anything outside of posting their own tunes, however they'd likely rather get their music on the "public section" than the EAF private one anyway
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - Slick - 2012-03-07 12:20:25
If you're setting a post limit you're ignoring the people who only read the forum and post once in a while when they want to. Not everyone posts a lot. Besides that, you might get more off-topic spam in other threads just because they want to get the 100 posts. [/experienced moderator mode off]
It's still a good idea, just take the above downsides in consideration.
The 'one thread per artist'-idea is better I think. It's easier to handle for both the admins, readers and artists. :) Win-win-win.
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - Niko - 2012-03-07 13:26:24
(2012-03-07 11:31:25)Larvi Wrote: I think 100 posts is a bit too much, make it between 10 and 50 :)
But this will solve nothing. I just checked some of the todays spammers: mullor1 - 82 posts, topo - 42 posts.
Hubee Wrote:Good idea in theory, but won't it run the risk of causing all the mixes / tracks from those posters <100 to end up in all the other subforums?
too possible
Slick Wrote:If you're setting a post limit you're ignoring the people who only read the forum and post once in a while when they want to. Not everyone posts a lot.
They will be still able to post, except their own topics in "your music". I don't support the practice to comes here only to post your latest track or mix, without posting anything elsewhere in the forum at all, no matter who you are.
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - murray888 - 2012-03-07 13:49:30
Perhaps a low post limit (~10)?
I like the idea of one thread per artist, but how will it be enforced?
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - DiscoCreep - 2012-03-07 14:03:20
(2012-03-07 13:49:30)murray888 Wrote: Perhaps a low post limit (~10)?
I like the idea of one thread per artist, but how will it be enforced?
Thats what I'm wondering to?
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - Evangelink - 2012-03-07 14:12:25
(2012-03-07 13:49:30)murray888 Wrote: Perhaps a low post limit (~10)?
I like the idea of one thread per artist, but how will it be enforced?
Not just down to the mods, but us as well I think. There is a report button in the lower right hand side of each post, could adapt that so we can report anyone who is creating multiple threads?
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - needleaudio - 2012-03-07 15:09:11
The problem is actual spam, sent by computers, rather than just self promotion by aspiring pruducers, which I have practically no trouble with.
I've discovered quite a few nice tunes by 'EAFers' who just post in YM.
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - Yibn - 2012-03-07 15:57:51
The one flaw with one thread per person is that it will be harder to tell if they have actually updated anything. Unless you see a new post by them specifically in that thread, who knows if they have updated it. They may even just be responding to some feedback or whatnot.
Still like the idea, but kinda flawed.
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - sam1am - 2012-03-07 16:09:00
I notice because for some reason the board won't let me stay signed in anymore, forums like "I'm a produced too" are invisible unless you are registered and logged in.
Maybe if the "your music" forum was the same it would discourage people signing up just to spam their tunes, as they wouldn't know it was there?
Although on the other hand it might just discourage some people to join all together, and also assumes people only post in their to get feedback from registered members and not just get general attention from all viewers of the site. Just an idea though.
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - DiscoCreep - 2012-03-07 16:10:09
What about splitting it into 2 sections?
"Members Mixes" and "Members Tracks/Remixes" and have an upload limit on each of 1 per day? That would go for everyone and might discourage spammers or ten thread posters?
Only thing would be for the forum to automatically differentiate between people uploading their stuff and people posting replies/feedback.
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - Yibn - 2012-03-07 17:13:25
I like the idea of having different sections for mixes and original productions.
When going into that section I'll usually have a mind set for one or the other. When I see a lot of posts not regarding to what I'm looking for I get a little annoyed and overwhelmed.
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - jacqueschristo - 2012-03-07 17:53:50
(2012-03-07 17:13:25)Yibn Wrote: I like the idea of having different sections for mixes and original productions.
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - Body In The Thames - 2012-03-07 18:51:56
What about a simple time limit?
1 thread start per user per 24 hours (36? 48? 72?) can that be done?
surely even the most prolific of us can't argue with a 24 hour limit....
especially if we split it into originals and mixes with 1 thread per person per day per subforum
???
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - DiscoCreep - 2012-03-07 19:02:12
(2012-03-07 18:51:56)Body In The Thames Wrote: What about a simple time limit?
1 thread start per user per 24 hours (36? 48? 72?) can that be done?
surely even the most prolific of us can't argue with a 24 hour limit....
especially if we split it into originals and mixes with 1 thread per person per day per subforum
???
pretty much exactly what i said...
(2012-03-07 16:10:09)DiscoCreep Wrote: What about splitting it into 2 sections?
"Members Mixes" and "Members Tracks/Remixes" and have an upload limit on each of 1 per day? That would go for everyone and might discourage spammers or ten thread posters?
Only thing would be for the forum to automatically differentiate between people uploading their stuff and people posting replies/feedback.
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - dc-sux - 2012-03-07 19:18:57
The time restricted business, and sub-forums are all fine, but I still think restricting posting in those forums to those with x number of posts is a good idea. I take issue with those who JUST come hear to promote their own stuff, and not contribute to other things. Especially when it is not even the artist themselves, but their web manager doing some promo.
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - Body In The Thames - 2012-03-07 19:51:02
(2012-03-07 19:02:12)DiscoCreep Wrote:Oh yeah, kind of skimmed what you read and missed it ... sorry(2012-03-07 18:51:56)Body In The Thames Wrote: What about a simple time limit?
1 thread start per user per 24 hours (36? 48? 72?) can that be done?
surely even the most prolific of us can't argue with a 24 hour limit....
especially if we split it into originals and mixes with 1 thread per person per day per subforum
???
pretty much exactly what i said...
(2012-03-07 16:10:09)DiscoCreep Wrote: What about splitting it into 2 sections?
"Members Mixes" and "Members Tracks/Remixes" and have an upload limit on each of 1 per day? That would go for everyone and might discourage spammers or ten thread posters?
Only thing would be for the forum to automatically differentiate between people uploading their stuff and people posting replies/feedback.
I second your motion
(2012-03-07 19:18:57)dc-sux Wrote: ... I still think restricting posting in those forums to those with x number of posts is a good idea. I take issue with those who JUST come hear to promote their own stuff, and not contribute to other things. Especially when it is not even the artist themselves, but their web manager doing some promo.
Strongly Agree
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - dwnwthvwls - 2012-03-09 06:38:30
Minimum post count will put off any lurkers who have bided their time before posting any of their own stuff, which might lead to loss of talent on the forums as they'll go elsewhere to try to drum up attention or get feedback.
Splitting the 'Your Music' section is a good idea.
As is having one topic per user, can that be checked and limited automatically, ie once someone's started a thread in a sub-forum they can't create any others?
Can you update the thread titles after they've been started, if so, then bunging the last date of a new tune or mix into the thread would get round the problem of having to rely on the thread starter's username being noticed as last reply.
There seems to be 'label' specific threads being bunged in there, maybe have limitations on that, as well as the one topic per user.
Edit: There seems to be some threads which are actual releases, binning those threads and moving the post to the 'releases by members' sticky would probably clean some of that up.
If anyone wants to throw me mod privileges for the 'Your Music' thread (or potential sub-threads) I'd be happy to abuse them in the names of science and tidiness.
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - dc-sux - 2012-03-09 08:09:22
(2012-03-09 06:38:30)dwnwthvwls Wrote: Minimum post count will put off any lurkers who have bided their time before posting any of their own stuff, which might lead to loss of talent on the forums as they'll go elsewhere to try to drum up attention or get feedback.
I agree that we don't want to put off lurkers, but this is supposed to be a community, with mutual contribution, not just a place to plug your own stuff. I don't see how a post count of, say 50, would be a massive obstacle, more an incentive. If you were a total newbie, it really wouldn't be so hard to listen to 50 users tracks and comment on them. If it was a good community with constructive criticism, that would be the real draw. As it stands, there is no motivation whatsoever to post in that forum, and it will stay that way unless we institute effective measures.
RE: Massive spamming of the 'Your Music' board - dwnwthvwls - 2012-03-09 08:31:06
That's a fair point, but wouldn't that just wind up having 50 posts from a newbie just saying 'great track' or something along those lines so they can reach the minimum posting limit? It's no guarantee of a constructive or balanced critical community appearing.
Maybe have tighter posting rules for that forum with a three strikes approach with a week or fortnights ban for folk who don't abide by the rules (don't know how much admin this would involve to be honest).
I don't frequent any other music-related forums (except DiS, but that's just a time sink at work, I don't use that in the same way as EAF), but I expect that this will be a problem for them as well (especially web promo companies spamming releases), does anyone know offhand how any other forums deal with situations similar to this?