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miss berlin · 2008-04-13, 17:42:15

benjomin Wrote:
Le_Coop Wrote:
miss berlin Wrote:even if motor is pure void and pathetically flat ,hype is so powerfull that u might unfortunately be right for the dancefloors...
dont take offense of this but in my opinion the hype has digested you as many other people around this little eletro world and you are now a modern slave of hype , of a rumour, proud and always ready to tell how good is your rumour .
basically the problem is that even if sebastian has done some interesting stuff in the past ,hype has had such an impact on you that u 've stopped your analysis process on the track, cause this track is basically a rip off , no more.
dur...the majority of folk on the dancefloor wont have much of a clue who is hyping what and what they are listening to if its your average electro club night with an average DJ playing some new noisey ed banger tune to a bunch of average clubbers.

If it works on the dancefloor then it really is as simple as that regardless of how many people think its complete shite and how many people think its good. Whether you play 30 sec of it or a few minutes.

I can just see you now looking all upset in the corner while the rest of the club go a bit mental to some noise.

The EP is nothing to write home about.....correct well done. Woopie do, lets go crucify SebastiAn. If fans get hyped up because of youtube vids showing people going mental in clubs then guess what....its a good track for the club.........really get over it. Im still surprised at peoples surprise that they didnt end up with something amazing.

Youv all seen the vids, knew exactly how it sounded, got the illegal download and still ended up complaining like youve been cheated out of a months wage. Get over it
too true.

ok your point of view is interesting as always by the way no doubt . " looking all upset in the corner " lol u good ...

so if i understand you well ( cause my english is bad its not a joke ...) you just surprised to see people still complaining about a track which could have a kind of success on the dancefloor even if you agree the track is not so important in the music history saying somethin like what ? not a big deal blabla ... i summed up but its nearly that no ? correct ?

so let me tell you why i think you miss the point .

we are talking about elecronic music right ? we are talking about dance music basically right ?
and this is the point you miss i think ,u know ,because the center of the world in dancemusic is not of "top of the pops" or radios or even the desk of mixmag .......

the center of the world in dance music is the DANCEFLOOR ..

of course there are numerous qualities of dancefloor ... dancefloor of erol's monday of the end are not the same than space or circo loco in ibiza or raves etc ... all of u know this of course...

what i wanna say here is that if a mediocre track meets a certain success on the dancefloor because of an over hype process ,its
a real disaster for dance music in general !!!

and u know why ??? cause its like a bad track was sold billion times and artificially celebrated ...

in pop music the way to know a track has succes is to look at the sales of it , in dance music the way to see a track has succes is much more complicated !!! the sales in dance music just cant be a good indicator cause amount of money and promos are so different from a label to another and consequently are not big enough to constitute an accurate analysis base like in marketing inquiry if u see what i mean ...

dont know if i'm clear on this but anyway ... what i wanna say is that if you like electroncic music you have to be very demanding on the dancefloor cause ,more the dancefloor will be nasty to cheese music and become more aware and sophisticated, more the music you like will be exciting .

THERE'S NOTHING WORSE IN ELECTRONIC MUSIC TO SEE PEOPLE DANCE TO MEDIOCRE TUNES !!! NOTHIN !!! ... THINK !!! ITS LIKE A FAKE CELEBRATION ON THE DANCEFLOOR ...MORE THAN PATHETIC ... DONT CARE IF A MEDIOCRE TRACK SELL BILLIONS COPIES BUT IF THIS SAME TUNE MAKE A STORM ON A DANCEFLOOR I RESPECT IT S JUST A DRAMA ... YOU GUYS ELECTRONIC MUSIC LOVERS SHOULD BE LIKE ME ... AND QUICKLY IF ITS NOT ALREADY DONE !

TempestDisco · 2008-04-13, 17:49:08

miss berlin Wrote:THERE'S NOTHING WORSE IN ELECTRONIC MUSIC TO SEE PEOPLE DANCE TO MEDIOCRE TUNES !!! NOTHIN !!! ... THINK !!! ITS LIKE A FAKE CELEBRATION ON THE DANCEFLOOR ...MORE THAN PATHETIC ... DONT CARE IF A MEDIOCRE TRACK SELL BILLIONS COPIES BUT IF THIS SAME TUNE MAKE A STORM ON A DANCEFLOOR I RESPECT IT S JUST A DRAMA ... YOU GUYS ELECTRONIC MUSIC LOVERS SHOULD BE LIKE ME ... AND QUICKLY IF ITS NOT ALREADY DONE !

miss berlin · 2008-04-13, 18:05:28

one last precision to be fair with sebastian ;
this guy is 10000000000 times better than the dirty joke justice of course ...
be carefull i dont say that to begin a new thread on these pathetic clowns guys hehe ... no time to waste on it no please ...

massive · 2008-04-13, 20:20:58

The Boy · 2008-04-13, 20:26:17

miss berlin Wrote:one last precision to be fair with sebastian ;
this guy is 10000000000 times better than the dirty joke justice of course ...
be carefull i dont say that to begin a new thread on these pathetic clowns guys hehe ... no time to waste on it no please ...

Go away, your boring now...

When Justice came out there was nothing like them. A breath of fresh air. In my opinion they pretty much spearheaded the whole second coming of French dance and, if we look at the bigger picture the resurgence of dance music in general.

I've been wanting to say that on so many threads that slag off Justice. It seems that like with almost any musical act, as soon as you get some success the haters start appearing.

Stop taking cheap shots at them to provoke responses ike this. Unless this is all just someone playing a joke?

Oh and my final answer to everything:

If you dont like the music and it doesnt work for you, go and make your own....

Boy

Le_Coop · 2008-04-13, 20:41:30

Darling you are missing the point entirely and I actually agree with a lot of what you say. Did you read that correctly? yes you did

Im going to explain my point differently one more time to see if it sinks in.

People dont go wild on the dancefloor because of hype. Its called EXCITEMENT and EMOTION. Those are two of my favourite words.

THIS is the way it works. Clubbers made of up different people hear a new track and either start talking about it or these days end up filming it. Not all ed banger fans either. Hard to believe I know. Big DJs who like the track such as Erol,( you know him right?) start playing the track and even more people start wondering what this track is that sounds so different/fantastic/weird&wonderful/crazy/mental/beautiful (delete as appropriate) THEN the hype starts going into overdrive. Does anyone have a copy? What is it called? Who made it? Who does it sound like? Is it a remix? etc etc

in YOUR world, hype begins somewhere, gets built up and then we hear the track and are forced into dancing to it because "well its the latest track by that current popular electro bloke"

Personally I think youre just tired of the kids taking over your clubbing scene like many others. Get over it.

Justice....a dirty joke? I see it all, the pop side, the influences, the somewhat new and refreshing style they brought to the table. But thats just a whole other argument which you seem to want people to fire at you.

By the way, open your eyes and ears and take a look around you. The past is gone. You dont like minimal by any chance do you?

Robototron · 2008-04-13, 21:01:03

The Boy Wrote:When Justice came out there was nothing like them. A breath of fresh air. In my opinion they pretty much spearheaded the whole second coming of French dance and, if we look at the bigger picture the resurgence of dance music in general.

I agree that they really brought this whole French House scene back to forefront, but saying the brought about a resurgence of dance music is a bit of a stretch. I don't think dance music has ever really stopped being popular, just that the stuff that is popular isn't really your kind of music. I mean, look at how popular Minimal has been these last couple years, I'd argue that in lots of places it's far, far more popular than Electro House, but looking at this board you'd think that Berlin had fallen off the map.

Le_Coop, I think miss berlin has a point about people hearing a track and liking it because of who it is. I don't remember who it was that said it (it wasn't in this thread), but someone mentioned playing Soulwax's Rolling Stones remix and no one really liking it, then they found out it was Soulwax and they went nuts. It's something you definitely DO see happening a lot in this scene. Someone hears that the new Justice, SebastiAn, or whoever track is floating around and maybe they like it a little bit more because hey, it's Justice, it must be good.

Just look at the opposite effect. I'm sure we've all had a moment, whether you'll admit it or not, where you heard a decent track from an unknown artist, then you find it's Tiesto or someone really terrible and you refuse to listen to it ever again. Isn't that basically the same thing, but with a negative impact instead of a positive one?

Obviously in an ideal world hype would mean nothing, but it definitely has more of an effect than you claim it does.

Le_Coop · 2008-04-13, 21:05:52

Robototron Wrote:
The Boy Wrote:When Justice came out there was nothing like them. A breath of fresh air. In my opinion they pretty much spearheaded the whole second coming of French dance and, if we look at the bigger picture the resurgence of dance music in general.
I agree that they really brought this whole French House scene back to forefront, but saying the brought about a resurgence of dance music is a bit of a stretch. I don't think dance music has ever really stopped being popular, just that the stuff that is popular isn't really your kind of music. I mean, look at how popular Minimal has been these last couple years, I'd argue that in lots of places it's far, far more popular than Electro House, but looking at this board you'd think that Berlin had fallen off the map.

Le_Coop, I think miss berlin has a point about people hearing a track and liking it because of who it is. I don't remember who it was that said it (it wasn't in this thread), but someone mentioned playing Soulwax's Rolling Stones remix and no one really liking it, then they found out it was Soulwax and they went nuts. It's something you definitely DO see happening a lot in this scene. Someone hears that the new Justice, SebastiAn, or whoever track is floating around and maybe they like it a little bit more because hey, it's Justice, it must be good.

Just look at the opposite effect. I'm sure we've all had a moment, whether you'll admit it or not, where you heard a decent track from an unknown artist, then you find it's Tiesto or someone really terrible and you refuse to listen to it ever again. Isn't that basically the same thing, but with a negative impact instead of a positive one?

Obviously in an ideal world hype would mean nothing, but it definitely has more of an effect than you claim it does.

Hence why I said I agreed with some of what she said.....dont forget it not a black and white argument.

Look man, Pedro stopped the music entirely in Bordeux to tell us about Motor before playing it, I know how hype works and see it clowding judgements on how good certain tracks are but people seem to forget that the dancelfoor in your average club isnt full of scensters.

Slatex · 2008-04-13, 21:44:09

The Boy Wrote:When Justice came out there was nothing like them. A breath of fresh air. In my opinion they pretty much spearheaded the whole second coming of French dance

I couldn't have said it better myself. As time goes on & the more saturated the scene gets, you cannot deny how important Justice have been

peephole965 · 2008-04-13, 21:56:15

well it is not ross ross ross is it not the best form seb i dont think..

miss berlin · 2008-04-14, 02:27:01

as i said before i dont wanna talk about justice ... no nrj for that sorry and to be honest it would very disrespectful towards all of you guys, cause a lot of you like them, so no time for a war now .

but u must know guys that there is someone who thinks those dudes are pathetic clowns ... ( at the same time ,they are honest and smart enough to admit themself !! their music is pretty bad if u know them a bit ...) yeah sorry it exists ...

i still wonder myself how can u just listen to an entire track of them except water of nazareth maybe ... it was the first time in my "musical life" i was not even able to just maintain the curiosity to listen to an album until the end when they released their so called "album" lol and believe me my curiosity is so huge its a kind of disease ...

so lecoop firstly u have to know that i did not listen to just one record of so called "minimal from berlin" in my entire life so u see may be im not the one u think ... i just ignore it from the beginning ... pure mediocre music in my opinion ooops ...lets not begin another thread no !!! lol ...having said that u have to know i m not turned to the past AT ALL, i had my pop moment hehe , im not narrow minded at all ...

anyway despite of how it looks im not here to impose my point of view like a child keeping tell you ur wrong and me right ...

i respect honestly your point of view and understand what u say i think ... so when u say that the hype on motor begin cause people on partys began to ask what was that track i say ok ... so u think that for motor the hype is genuine ? ... ok , let me ask you one thing ... when did u fisrt hear it ? ... with erol ?... another one ?? in any case the question is ; is that track come to your ears at the same speed than all the released of the moment ? .......

the answer is so obvious ... at least for me ...

u clearly understand i think that 90 % of people do something cause
we told them to do that thing ... so.............if u think all the people i mean 100% who gone mental on the dancefloor are honest with themself i just say we are not agree .....
...... its basically what i would say indeed ...period .

but i would be interested to know what u've considered refreshing in justice cause i personnaly think that despites the fact their label is already dead, yeah ... sorry ... ed bangers really bring something quiet interesting but not thrue justice AT ALL !!! but thrue sebastian who was clearly the spindoctor of the crew with pedro of course ...

and finally le coop im gonna say again somethin very strange for you but u really have to know that we dont have the same eyes so ... relax its pointless hehe ...for example you talk about erol as "a big dj "right ???

for me he is everything but not a big dj at all ....yeah ...everyone gonna spit on me for this one hehe ...

but for me erol is not what i call a bid dj ... he s a very good selector , may be the best one but for me he s more a big opinion's leader than a dj ... he will be more remembered for his trash party , his charism and this forum and all" the scanner talent" he got than for his skills of dj no doubt ... im very confortable to say that and im almost sure erol would be not far to be agree ...

so u see dude ... u pretty far to understand everything at first sight ... so keep a word in your head as an advice mate ; the word is PRUDENT . be prudent dude ...

say this word 5 times when u wake up and 5 times when u r about to sleep , all this during 3 months ... good luck my friend HAHAHA !!!

RELAX im kidding u my friend ;)

TempestDisco · 2008-04-14, 02:40:45

u dnt rly no wht ur talkin abt do u

As incoherent as that post was, i gathered that this forum really isn't for you.

miss berlin · 2008-04-14, 02:50:13

The Boy Wrote:
miss berlin Wrote:one last precision to be fair with sebastian ;
this guy is 10000000000 times better than the dirty joke justice of course ...
be carefull i dont say that to begin a new thread on these pathetic clowns guys hehe ... no time to waste on it no please ...
Go away, your boring now...

When Justice came out there was nothing like them. A breath of fresh air. In my opinion they pretty much spearheaded the whole second coming of French dance and, if we look at the bigger picture the resurgence of dance music in general.

I've been wanting to say that on so many threads that slag off Justice. It seems that like with almost any musical act, as soon as you get some success the haters start appearing.

Stop taking cheap shots at them to provoke responses ike this. Unless this is all just someone playing a joke?

Oh and my final answer to everything:

If you dont like the music and it doesnt work for you, go and make your own....

Boy

u think justice is important in dance music and is quality music . good for you.
i have a soul and may be a small brain but be tolerant let me exist .

may be i am a deep donkey but if u lucky enough to talk always of things u like , u have to know that there are donkeys who live around you who just cant be as good as you are because if i talk only when somethin i consider important happened ,i will talk as often your brain will produce a genuis idea ...

cheers

miss berlin · 2008-04-14, 03:00:09

TempestDisco Wrote:u dnt rly no wht ur talkin abt do u

As incoherent as that post was, i gathered that this forum really isn't for you.

im consulting this forum since the first year it exists ... was on trash board too ...
i dont really now wht im talkin about ...? and you do u really know wht u really wanna say ??? lol

just tell me u dont understand ... tell me where i am incoherent .
and sorry for you if u think this forum is nt for me ... i perfectly know im like an alien here but thats why im here indeed . sorry if i am different but please read well and keep that word in mind ...PRUDENT . lol ....... i know that music beleive me honey ...

TempestDisco · 2008-04-14, 03:02:53

just seem to be here to start arguments, tell everyone they have awful taste, and piss on the communal bonfire

that's all
:/

edit: and the first line of my other post was an "ironic line", ignore it :)

miss berlin · 2008-04-14, 03:15:32

TempestDisco Wrote:just seem to be here to start arguments, tell everyone they have awful taste, and piss on the communal bonfire

that's all
:/

edit: and the first line of my other post was an "ironic line", ignore it :)

in a certain way u right ...
im here to make u know all of you guys that my kind of opinion exists ... true .
but im not here to be disrespectfull.
i honestly respect everybody here .
if my post bother you i can understand it . just ignore me ... ;)

miss berlin · 2008-04-14, 03:32:59

Robototron Wrote:
The Boy Wrote:When Justice came out there was nothing like them. A breath of fresh air. In my opinion they pretty much spearheaded the whole second coming of French dance and, if we look at the bigger picture the resurgence of dance music in general.
I agree that they really brought this whole French House scene back to forefront, but saying the brought about a resurgence of dance music is a bit of a stretch. I don't think dance music has ever really stopped being popular, just that the stuff that is popular isn't really your kind of music. I mean, look at how popular Minimal has been these last couple years, I'd argue that in lots of places it's far, far more popular than Electro House, but looking at this board you'd think that Berlin had fallen off the map.

Le_Coop, I think miss berlin has a point about people hearing a track and liking it because of who it is. I don't remember who it was that said it (it wasn't in this thread), but someone mentioned playing Soulwax's Rolling Stones remix and no one really liking it, then they found out it was Soulwax and they went nuts. It's something you definitely DO see happening a lot in this scene. Someone hears that the new Justice, SebastiAn, or whoever track is floating around and maybe they like it a little bit more because hey, it's Justice, it must be good.

Just look at the opposite effect. I'm sure we've all had a moment, whether you'll admit it or not, where you heard a decent track from an unknown artist, then you find it's Tiesto or someone really terrible and you refuse to listen to it ever again. Isn't that basically the same thing, but with a negative impact instead of a positive one?

Obviously in an ideal world hype would mean nothing, but it definitely has more of an effect than you claim it does.

wish you ll not be ashamed but i have nothin to say ... im just perfectly agree with u ...hope its not a problem lol ... you ll be associated with me whereas im almost banned here ... LOL ;)

fornogoodreason · 2008-04-14, 10:07:23

CAN YOU PLEASE JUST TYPE NORMALLY!!!!!!!!!

thank you.

DATANOIR · 2008-04-14, 10:19:36

Amstereo Galaxy Wrote:Motor is absolute INSANE!
You can't judge it when you didn't hear it in a club yet..
It has a kind of low sub what you can't hear on your home speakers.
It defenitly a track for the clubs..
Boys Noize played it last night in Amsterdam and it blew my head off!
What a track, PERFECT!

.

yeah, it rocked, we were up on the balcony and saw one crowdsurfer after another take off :) total madness with the lights on as well

Le_Coop · 2008-04-14, 10:55:28

miss berlin Wrote:as i said before i dont wanna talk about justice

Well you certainly went on and on about them there didnt you.

The point you are failing to see is that I understand there are many people hyped up about tracks and go jump around because they think its cool. But believing these people are in the majority is wrong. If its a specific ed banger party and full of ed banger fans then obviously there will be more people clouded by hype. BUT thats not what we were talking about. We were talking about a tracks appeal in your average club playing electo.

As for Justice, for me its not simply about their productions. Its their whole taste in music and DJ sets. Its all about fun, and that what attracted me to ed banger in the 1st place as I was struggling to see where the fun in dance music was. Similar to Erol. If you are a straight faced clubber who likes dancing to dullard techno for 5 hours without a smile on your face then so be it.

Im stereotyping for fun there by the way, mainly because you have no real opinions of your own(that have shown). You cant specify why something is bad and why exactly its not your cup of tea. I belive you are scared to let me know the things you like incase its easy to shoot them down. But thats not what I do. Our opinions differ, you are just a really shit politician.

Oh...and track selection outweighs DJ ability by far. It seems you disagree. Hence why people like Erol and Justice 'got big'

Sujo · 2008-04-14, 10:59:25

In terms of hype the whole ed banger thing has alot more hype then any of the specific artists except for perhaps justice.

So at a ed banger party your going to end up with alot of people who are at it just because its ed banger. They won't know more then one or two of the songs that are on ed banger. So alot of it is new to them.

Thus hype in regards to making this successful is bull shit. Its only geeks and nerds like us who are chasing down 0 day releases.

Le_Coop · 2008-04-14, 11:06:40

Sujo Wrote:In terms of hype the whole ed banger thing has alot more hype then any of the specific artists except for perhaps justice.

So at a ed banger party your going to end up with alot of people who are at it just because its ed banger. They won't know more then one or two of the songs that are on ed banger. So alot of it is new to them.

Thus hype in regards to making this successful is bull shit. Its only geeks and nerds like us who are chasing down 0 day releases.

Yeah exactly. I know quite a few super hyped up ed banger fans who want to to go to all the gigs but play them a few lesser known tracks and they dont know them. And it really is the geeks amonsgt us that want to know who is playing what, how and when we are getting it. The hyped scenesters just wanna be into somrthing thats seen as cool rather being interested in every track of every artist on a label like the majority.

At the end of the day (i hate saying that) questions started cropping up about Motor well before they knew it was a SebastiAn track. Same with vuvuvu. The questions always come first before we know who the artist is, its as simple as that.

Mat Payne · 2008-04-14, 11:10:48

Wonder what the Justice remix of Motor is going to sound like?

jamo4000 · 2008-04-14, 11:25:17

oooh is there going to be such remix?

onemoredisco · 2008-04-14, 11:37:56

yeah i haven't heard of justice remixing motor, it's not on their myspace page (their coming soon bit), tbh i can't imagine any remix of motor