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jamo4000 · 2008-04-14, 11:48:46

heheh i can imagine surkin remix))))))))

and seriously - i completely agree that motor is not yet overhyped. it gets a lot of hype here, and in blogs, but most of them people in the clubs just watch mtv and listen to the radio, they dont get fresh music from blogs. for me it's just like a second job, i spend so much time to get fresh stuff, i wouldnt if i were not djing.

and btw i do not like motor. but if it works on the dancefloors - why not? i mean, i'm not going to drop it, maybe give it a try, not sure, but anyway i wont blame anyone for playing it.

DATANOIR · 2008-04-14, 11:51:09

onemoredisco Wrote:yeah i haven't heard of justice remixing motor, it's not on their myspace page (their coming soon bit), tbh i can't imagine any remix of motor

SebastiAn - Motor (Break remix)

lol

danny11 · 2008-04-14, 12:07:37

some guy who was djing at fabric on friday mixed in motor,, it was sooo fuckin heavy, l fuckin love it

miss berlin · 2008-04-14, 15:51:35

Le_Coop Wrote:
miss berlin Wrote:as i said before i dont wanna talk about justice
Well you certainly went on and on about them there didnt you.

The point you are failing to see is that I understand there are many people hyped up about tracks and go jump around because they think its cool. But believing these people are in the majority is wrong. If its a specific ed banger party and full of ed banger fans then obviously there will be more people clouded by hype. BUT thats not what we were talking about. We were talking about a tracks appeal in your average club playing electo.

As for Justice, for me its not simply about their productions. Its their whole taste in music and DJ sets. Its all about fun, and that what attracted me to ed banger in the 1st place as I was struggling to see where the fun in dance music was. Similar to Erol. If you are a straight faced clubber who likes dancing to dullard techno for 5 hours without a smile on your face then so be it.

Im stereotyping for fun there by the way, mainly because you have no real opinions of your own(that have shown). You cant specify why something is bad and why exactly its not your cup of tea. I belive you are scared to let me know the things you like incase its easy to shoot them down. But thats not what I do. Our opinions differ, you are just a really shit politician.

Oh...and track selection outweighs DJ ability by far. It seems you disagree. Hence why people like Erol and Justice 'got big'

" a really sh** politician " ??? lol i dont see what u mean honestly ...
anyway , u know what , i prefer 100000000 times motor to any tracks from justice so , do as if i was agree with you on sebastian and give me the right guys to puck properly each time i hear a justice track ... periond .

and u right le coop i m quiet strange cause i dont even say what i like, its true .
at the same time i m a free woman no ?
do you want me to lie ? no ... there are no artists at the moment i like entirely , what can i say ? its my opinion no more . of course no need to say im not scared to give you my influences scaring about your judment , im strong enough to not be ashamed by what i like even if everybody could think my influence are ridiculous etc ... but having said that im still very excited by that music and personnaly think that next few years gonna be huge and defenitely exciting for electronic music ...

concerning erol , what can i say ? ... if u think he is famous because hes " a big dj" we just are not agree ...he s famous because of trash and cause he s brilliant man who feels very well whats going on ... its my opinion , dont say im right , just my opinion .

and sorry mr "fornogoodreason" if i dont type properly but what do u mean exactly ?
is it thes little things which bother you ? .....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Le_Coop · 2008-04-14, 17:37:04

miss berlin Wrote:" a really sh** politician " ??? lol i dont see what u mean honestly ...
anyway , u know what , i prefer 100000000 times motor to any tracks from justice so , do as if i was agree with you on sebastian and give me the right guys to puck properly each time i hear a justice track ... periond .

concerning erol , what can i say ? ... if u think he is famous because hes " a big dj" we just are not agree ...he s famous because of trash and cause he s brilliant man who feels very well whats going on ... its my opinion , dont say im right , just my opinion

Right so you think Motor is better than everything Justice have ever done. You are clearly deluded, irrational and very very wrong, not to mention living somewhere in the past.

I know the history of trash very very well. A lot of the rules they made in the early days are rules I like to stick to when organising an event now. I never said anything about anyone being famous because of being big, Thats just dumb and we werent talking about fame. Trash wouldnt have been a success if it wasnt for playing good music, simple as that. As you will no doubt know miss pearls of wisdom but a lot of the music there wasnt mixed. Erol may have been big in London due to Trash but in the wider audience he only started getting noticed and becoming 'big' when he started doing more outside gigs....obviously.

Im sorry I havnt given you much to diagree about this time but I dont want to feed you information that you can be constantly wrong disagreeing about.

You say its been rubbish the last few years and cant even talk about what was good before that. You are officially useless on a discussion forum if cant you cant discuss, you simply criticize and disagree.

onemoredisco · 2008-04-14, 17:53:08

Where's this Break remix? Or were you joking lol

miss berlin · 2008-04-14, 18:10:13

Le_Coop Wrote:
miss berlin Wrote:" a really sh** politician " ??? lol i dont see what u mean honestly ...
anyway , u know what , i prefer 100000000 times motor to any tracks from justice so , do as if i was agree with you on sebastian and give me the right guys to puck properly each time i hear a justice track ... periond .

concerning erol , what can i say ? ... if u think he is famous because hes " a big dj" we just are not agree ...he s famous because of trash and cause he s brilliant man who feels very well whats going on ... its my opinion , dont say im right , just my opinion
Right so you think Motor is better than everything Justice have ever done. You are clearly deluded, irrational and very very wrong, not to mention living somewhere in the past.

I know the history of trash very very well. A lot of the rules they made in the early days are rules I like to stick to when organising an event now. I never said anything about anyone being famous because of being big, Thats just dumb and we werent talking about fame. Trash wouldnt have been a success if it wasnt for playing good music, simple as that. As you will no doubt know miss pearls of wisdom but a lot of the music there wasnt mixed. Erol may have been big in London due to Trash but in the wider audience he only started getting noticed and becoming 'big' when he started doing more outside gigs....obviously.

Im sorry I havnt given you much to diagree about this time but I dont want to feed you information that you can be constantly wrong disagreeing about.

You say its been rubbish the last few years and cant even talk about what was good before that. You are officially useless on a discussion forum if cant you cant discuss, you simply criticize and disagree.

LOL
Man i overatted you or what ???
did i say erol play bad tracks ??? "deluded "?... you are yeah ... did i say trash was bad music ???
man u take drugs or what ?... i just think the opposite ... i will always thanx erol for the good music he brings us like the long blondes for example ...wtf

keep your dignity and stop speaking under drug influence will you ...

i am useless cause i just disagree with you and i dont say what i like ???

hey genius , london or berlin and this forum IS NOT PEKIN AS FAR AS I KNOW , ISNT IT ???

SO PLEASE , GIVE ME A BREAK AND WRITE THE WORD PRUNDENCE AND RESPECT 100 TIMES EACH DURING ONE YEAR WILL YOU FULL STOP !!!

Le_Coop · 2008-04-14, 18:33:45

Im concluding you simply cant comprehend the normal english language.

You said I thought Erol was 'famous' for being a 'big DJ' which I never said. It doesnt really make sense anyway. You said he is famous for Trash, which I never disagreed with. I never accused you of saying he plays bad music and that trash was bad. Go back and read it and you may figure it out.

You said,
"for me he is everything but not a big dj at all ....yeah ...everyone gonna spit on me for this one hehe ...but for me erol is not what i call a bid dj ... he s a very good selector ,"

You see the point I was making with Trash? You dont see too many going home and thinking....wow I loved it, the mixing was amazing but tunes werent great, lets go back next week....nope

miss berlin · 2008-04-14, 19:27:33

Le_Coop Wrote:Im concluding you simply cant comprehend the normal english language.

You said I thought Erol was 'famous' for being a 'big DJ' which I never said. It doesnt really make sense anyway. You said he is famous for Trash, which I never disagreed with. I never accused you of saying he plays bad music and that trash was bad. Go back and read it and you may figure it out.

You said,
"for me he is everything but not a big dj at all ....yeah ...everyone gonna spit on me for this one hehe ...but for me erol is not what i call a bid dj ... he s a very good selector ,"

You see the point I was making with Trash? You dont see too many going home and thinking....wow I loved it, the mixing was amazing but tunes werent great, lets go back next week....nope

my english is terrible on that i completely agree unfortunately ...
lets stop that anyway we're ridiculous lol ... ok i am ridiculous if u prefer hehe
but dont forget your homework my friends hahaha

Le_Coop · 2008-04-14, 23:14:50

Youre definately a special one. Im gonna be in a right strange one after the prudence and respect self help mirror chanting in the morning.

You might wanna delete that massive duplicate post, looks we wrote a big whiney novel. Ill stay off the drugs at least til Friday when im 21 again.

I cant even say i agree to disagree cos I have not idea what you really think and so be it.

The Boy · 2008-04-15, 02:11:18

Robototron Wrote:
The Boy Wrote:When Justice came out there was nothing like them. A breath of fresh air. In my opinion they pretty much spearheaded the whole second coming of French dance and, if we look at the bigger picture the resurgence of dance music in general.
I agree that they really brought this whole French House scene back to forefront, but saying the brought about a resurgence of dance music is a bit of a stretch. I don't think dance music has ever really stopped being popular, just that the stuff that is popular isn't really your kind of music. I mean, look at how popular Minimal has been these last couple years, I'd argue that in lots of places it's far, far more popular than Electro House, but looking at this board you'd think that Berlin had fallen off the map.
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Hmm, I know dance has always been there, but there is defiantely a new crowd getting into it because of people like Justice and more "Indie" style dance music (Dont know what you'd call it really - I refuse to call it Electro)

As someone who was starting to get involved in the dance industry around the time Justice first came out I remember reading this article by ex Mixmag Journalist Alex Petridis:

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/features/stor...19,00.html

While I dont agree with a lot of this article it was true that dance music was on the wane a bit and it needed a kick up the arse. People like Justice were part of the wave of new artists that gave the genre its "innovation and excitement" again (to quote Petridis) - and have been front runners in bringing it back to where it is today. They bought and air of cool, they had an image and some mystique (I remember there was a rumour at first that it was daft punk) , the whole ed banger package with the art work and sleeves was pretty tight. It was refreshing.

People are interested in Dance again, it appeals to newer audience and as Justice are one of the bigger acts around, this is why I believe they are one of the acts that spearheaded this new wave of dance music.

I know you could argue there are bigger acts, but they are mainly big room DJ bods who are always going to be big and dont necesarily bring anything exciting to the table.

I dont know if this makes any sense at all, but this is the reason I said what I said.

HEADPHASER · 2008-04-15, 02:36:39

Wow, way to state the obvious. Absolutely brilliant post. Justice are pretty exciting in my opinion, though. Maybe not as much as they were 2-3 years ago but I will be seriously pumped to hear their next record.

BUT YEAH SEBASTIAN...

People are pretty much insatiable or something -- complain about electro house getting boring and then hating on this EP which was an immense move on Sebs part. I want to see all your faces when he drops these tracks live on a booming system.

I've been pumped for an official Motor release since December when that vid of him and Kavinsky dropping it opening for Daft Punk popped up on youtube....soooo it's really not anything new and the hype really isn't that big imo...but anything coming out of Ed Banger is going to get attention OBVIOUSLY. Puhleeezz...

The Boy · 2008-04-15, 02:48:02

HEADPHASER Wrote:Wow, way to state the obvious. Absolutely brilliant post.

Is this sarcasm? As I was only backing up my point from earlier when someone started throwing around Justice insults....

miss berlin · 2008-04-15, 02:58:12

Le_Coop Wrote:Youre definately a special one. Im gonna be in a right strange one after the prudence and respect self help mirror chanting in the morning.

You might wanna delete that massive duplicate post, looks we wrote a big whiney novel. Ill stay off the drugs at least til Friday when im 21 again.

I cant even say i agree to disagree cos I have not idea what you really think and so be it.

LOL

you look like your picture do you ? must be cute so lets say you will be exempt to do your homework the day of the lord , i mean monday of course ... ;)

Robototron · 2008-04-15, 02:59:57

The Boy Wrote:Hmm, I know dance has always been there, but there is defiantely a new crowd getting into it because of people like Justice and more "Indie" style dance music (Dont know what you'd call it really - I refuse to call it Electro)

Is this really so different from all the people that got into dance music via Dance-Punk or Electroclash or whatever the previous Indie/Dance crossover genre was? I think Ed Banger has just really capitalized on their success in a truly amazing way, so a genre that isn't really all that special has become it's own cultural movement, almost.

Quote:As someone who was starting to get involved in the dance industry around the time Justice first came out I remember reading this article by ex Mixmag Journalist Alex Petridis:

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/features/stor...19,00.html

I've read a lot of articles similar to that one, mostly from British journalists, and honestly I think dance music's "disappearance" (I guess you could call it that) from the public eye has more to do with the British media's ability to hype fads, artists, genres, whatever beyond belief. Honestly, I've never seen anything like the British media when it builds something up, only to tear it down months later. You see it all the time with mags like the NME hyping the latest buzz band, and I think it's what happened with dance music as well. It's not that dance music fell off, it's that the music industry overestimated it to begin with. Same thing that happened with Disco in the late 70s (and why you see a lot if disco backlash here in the US).

Quote:While I dont agree with a lot of this article it was true that dance music was on the wane a bit and it needed a kick up the arse. People like Justice were part of the wave of new artists that gave the genre its "innovation and excitement" again (to quote Petridis) - and have been front runners in bringing it back to where it is today. They bought and air of cool, they had an image and some mystique (I remember there was a rumour at first that it was daft punk) , the whole ed banger package with the art work and sleeves was pretty tight. It was refreshing.

No offense, but I think anyone who ever gets tired of a certain genre or can't find any "innovation or excitement" in it is just being lazy. It's easy to get caught up in thinking Justice are the second coming of jesus christ, when you've been bored with dance music for however long.

I agree that when I first saw Justice I thought their image and everything was pretty tight, and they're image, I think, has ended up being more of a factor in their success than anything else. I can't really talk about the UK or Europe, but here in the US they're basically treated as if they were a rock band, they're popular for the same reason Daft Punk was, and the same reason Big Beat almost took over the US. They appeal to even the most dance-wary of people.

Quote:I know you could argue there are bigger acts, but they are mainly big room DJ bods who are always going to be big and dont necesarily bring anything exciting to the table.

I don't really think so, sure a lot of dance's "big names" are just 90s holdovers and the big superstar guys, but there have been a lot of new artists these past few years really breaking new ground, a lot of which have been really overshadowed by maximal/minimal (since those two are the only things that seem to really "work" these days, although both are one their way out it seems).

Rubicon · 2008-04-15, 03:04:24

Why is everyone obsessed with what tracks sound like in a club?

Hell, I could play a looped giant distorted monster of a bassline with as many fucked up sounds as possible in a club and it would 'make an impact', doesn't mean its a decent song or an accomplished piece of music..

andy8271 · 2008-04-15, 03:13:44

theres so much stuff i disagree with in this thread that i dont know where to start !

may be easier to list the few things i do agree with.

1. justice having a big roll in "saving" dance. fully agree. along with others of course.
2. ninja charlies post above. agree again.

i also ABSOLUTELY LOVE the way people on here take things so far out of context . then quote it. then type a big argument against it even though theyre actually agreeing with what the original poster was saying. happened so much in this thread its silly

The Boy · 2008-04-15, 03:25:40

Okay Robototron, I'm sure all your points are valid.

But at the end of the day these are just the opinion of someone in the UK who was involved in the scene around that time, making and releasing tracks, travelling with DJ's a lot and getting to see what people were into and watch the whole club scene.

I was hardly bored of it myself. I just remember hearing Justice records and thinking it was the most exciting thing to come along in a while. I was still loving other tracks at the time, but to me this was a turning point. Personal opinion.

Still being part of the scene now and seeing how lively and vibrant it is and seeing people like Justice at the forefront makes me believe that they have been really rather important. - along with other acts and labels, but they are definately one of the biggest.

To read a post from someone on here which slated them outright in quite an off manner - as I have seem several times, got my back up a bit. Hence I defended them.... Perhaps taking it of topic a bit so I apologise.

Anyway, I'm sure everyone is rather bored of this now, so I'm going to stop.

Sorry everyone.

Dave 8-Bit

miss berlin · 2008-04-15, 03:26:31

The Boy Wrote:
Robototron Wrote:
The Boy Wrote:When Justice came out there was nothing like them. A breath of fresh air. In my opinion they pretty much spearheaded the whole second coming of French dance and, if we look at the bigger picture the resurgence of dance music in general.
I agree that they really brought this whole French House scene back to forefront, but saying the brought about a resurgence of dance music is a bit of a stretch. I don't think dance music has ever really stopped being popular, just that the stuff that is popular isn't really your kind of music. I mean, look at how popular Minimal has been these last couple years, I'd argue that in lots of places it's far, far more popular than Electro House, but looking at this board you'd think that Berlin had fallen off the map.
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Hmm, I know dance has always been there, but there is defiantely a new crowd getting into it because of people like Justice and more "Indie" style dance music (Dont know what you'd call it really - I refuse to call it Electro)

As someone who was starting to get involved in the dance industry around the time Justice first came out I remember reading this article by ex Mixmag Journalist Alex Petridis:

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/features/stor...19,00.html

While I dont agree with a lot of this article it was true that dance music was on the wane a bit and it needed a kick up the arse. People like Justice were part of the wave of new artists that gave the genre its "innovation and excitement" again (to quote Petridis) - and have been front runners in bringing it back to where it is today. They bought and air of cool, they had an image and some mystique (I remember there was a rumour at first that it was daft punk) , the whole ed banger package with the art work and sleeves was pretty tight. It was refreshing.

People are interested in Dance again, it appeals to newer audience and as Justice are one of the bigger acts around, this is why I believe they are one of the acts that spearheaded this new wave of dance music.

I know you could argue there are bigger acts, but they are mainly big room DJ bods who are always going to be big and dont necesarily bring anything exciting to the table.

I dont know if this makes any sense at all, but this is the reason I said what I said.

very interesting article ....

and this;

"I know you could argue there are bigger acts, but they are mainly big room DJ bods who are always going to be big and dont necesarily bring anything exciting to the table."

this is so true my god, nothin to add, perfect analysis ! unfortunately ...

miss berlin · 2008-04-15, 03:42:35

ninjacharlie Wrote:Why is everyone obsessed with what tracks sound like in a club?

Hell, I could play a looped giant distorted monster of a bassline with as many fucked up sounds as possible in a club and it would 'make an impact', doesn't mean its a decent song or an accomplished piece of music..

man have u really read the entire thread from the beginning ?
u so wrong , im sorry for you ...
u r post is the clich

miss berlin · 2008-04-15, 03:47:38

"Is this really so different from all the people that got into dance music via Dance-Punk or Electroclash or whatever the previous Indie/Dance crossover genre was? I think Ed Banger has just really capitalized on their success in a truly amazing way, so a genre that isn't really all that special has become it's own cultural movement, almost."

ed banger capitalizing on electroclash ...
man u brilliant . never see that on that point of view . im not ironic , so true wow .

luke_h · 2008-04-15, 04:05:56

I'm not getting into this, but i'm going to say, you people know how to structure a good arguement. All of you :)

Its good to see.

No sarcasm, and please believe me on that. :)

HEADPHASER · 2008-04-15, 04:29:01

ninjacharlie Wrote:Why is everyone obsessed with what tracks sound like in a club?

Hell, I could play a looped giant distorted monster of a bassline with as many fucked up sounds as possible in a club and it would 'make an impact', doesn't mean its a decent song or an accomplished piece of music..

hmm...not sure...maybe because...

it's club music.

lulz

Rubicon · 2008-04-15, 05:17:07

Le_Coop · 2008-04-15, 10:53:32

All of what Dave said is true. I must have said something similar about 15 times on this board in the last 12 months. If you dont think Justice were important then you were probably really into some other styles of electronic dance music at the time but for the folk who had kinda took a step back from it, then discovered ed banger who basically in my view made people remember what the fuck having fun was all about away from the serious clubbing. Well its important to them and also helped this whole indie dance crossover which is why a lot of people get the hump with indie kids suddenly coming to dance nights.