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Yes. Real men use vinyl. I'm somewhere in the middle.

countrymen who use tractors are cheaters too!

It is definitely not cheating mate.

That's like saying a carpenter is cheating by using a power drill instead of a screwdriver.

People don't come for the beatmatching. If you can use a program to take out the hassle of beatmatching in order to concentrate on enhancing other areas of your performance and making it even more advanced or original then by all means go for it.

aidan14 wrote:

It is definitely not cheating mate.

That's like saying a carpenter is cheating by using a power drill instead of a screwdriver.

People don't come for the beatmatching. If you can use a program to take out the hassle of beatmatching in order to concentrate on enhancing other areas of your performance and making it even more advanced or original then by all means go for it.

This is what i thought. Its not like im against using decks. I practice hard on my beatmatching every night and when i got it down to a tee will happily jump on em but untill then i can use a laptop and mixer.

I mean as long as people are dancing and enjoying themselves Im doing something right. Right?

of course it's not cheating, it's embracing technology. mixing with a laptop gives you the opportunity to do much more with your tracks/mixing than a cd dj because you've got the freedom to focus on different things than only the warping and tempo, etc. focus on layering, make much more interesting mixes on the spot and if you do requests there's higher chances you actually have the song with you haha. it's about the outcome, the crowd, the way you mix and that depends on the dj, not on whether you play with vinyl/cds/laptop.

sidenote, i saw a bobmo live dj-set on saturday (ableton/uc-33) and it was really ill (didnt see that one coming). point proven.

Computers are for playing games on and sending E-mails.

End of.

TouristBlog wrote:

Computers are for playing games on and sending E-mails.

End of.

+1.



I honestly believe anyone saying its not cheating is saying it coz they can't beatmatch. Don't give me crap about doing more on a computer. Tell that to Boys Noize or Erol or Soulwax or Tiga or Carl Cox or Jeff Mills or any of the other millions of DJ's that use and learned on Vinyl or CDJ. I love the old "But A-Trak uses a Laptop" yeah now he does but he didn't a few years back. And even now he still uses it with his vinyl and not staring at a Laptop screen all night!!!

Again he didn't learn with a laptop.

Rikki wrote:

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moreeditsplease! wrote:

Yes. Real men use vinyl. I'm somewhere in the middle.

Funny that. Grandmaster Flash seems to love Traktor. Is he a real man?

Grandmaster Flash never learned on Traktor I'm sure!!!!

Of course he never learned, but he incorporates it into his sets nowadays.

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And how is that any relevance, why do you need to learn how to beat match manually when it's done automatically for you? Hawtin even says that not beatmatching opens up a world of possibilities. All those people who learned with vinyl used it as that was what was available at the time, what happens with the new generation who have no connection with vinyl, and learn solely from a laptop, will none of them be DJs?

It just annoys me coz it took me ages to learn how to beatmatch. I would never DJ with a laptop unless it was like Serato and i was using CDJ's as well. Even then tho don't think i would. When i DJ i just go with the flow and don't plan the set really. I don't think that is as easy if your using Ableton etc.

haven't read one plausible argument against laptop djing so far.  people and annoyed because it took them longer to get good at beatmatching thus doing it with the computer is cheating because it's easier. when cd's disappear from the market and more people turn to laptop djing, which will happen in the near future, the majority of dj-sets will be glorified itunes playlists. and you have to plan every set beforehand when spinning with ableton? fo' seriously?
imho people are bitter and they don't want to lose their pride because of all the hours and hours they put into learning the tricks of cd djing. this is a neverending discussion..

immy wrote:

haven't read one plausible argument against laptop djing so far...

It's 'gay'.